The Lorenzo Guebara story begins when Lorenzo(1) appeared in the 1880 census of Lincoln County, N.M. as a seven year old. The family, of
father Placido, mother Maria, older brother Manuel, and younger brothers Francisco and Albino, lived in the town of Lincoln. Next door, lived
grandpa Ygnacio. Lorenzo was born on August 10, 1873, in the town of Lincoln, according to a marriage certificate and other documents. He was
the sixth child of Placido and Maria Sanchez. Three brothers and two sisters preceded him. One sister did not survive infancy.
(1)--A baptism for Lorenzo hasn't surfaced and it presents a mystery. It's a mystery that would be nice to resolve. The mystery is discussed in the Placido story under
According to a family member Lorenzo lost his brother, Albino, in a hunting accident. In the 1870 census Albino was eight years old, born in 1862,
probably in Manzano, N.M., and as the story was related: “Mother María had recently delivered another child when the accident happened,
and upon hearing of the accident she arose from resting in bed and ran to her injured son.” The child that Maria had recently delivered was
probably Lorenzo. He named his first son Albino perhaps out of respect for his older brother.
The Placido Guebara family moved to White Oaks, N.M. some time before February 1884 when mother Maria passed away. The newspaper in
White Oaks printed the following on February 21: "A beautiful tribute was paid the deceased Sra. Maria Sanchez DeGuebara by the
Americans of White Oaks." There are some Guebaras resting at the far end of Cedarvale Cemetery in White Oaks and Maria may be there with
them. Lorenzo was ten years old.
The New Mexico state census of 1885 showed that Placido Guebara and sons Manuel, Lorenzo and Francisco were residing in White Oaks. In
the adjacent dwelling resided Julian and Mercedes Letcher, Lorenzo's older sister and brother-in-law.
In June 1893 Lorenzo and Tecla Sisneros were godparents. Tecla was the mother of Lorenzo's half-brother, Felis. The child baptized was Elena
Freeman and the parties were from White Oaks.
The Maximiliana story begins on her birth, January 15, 1875 in Rio Bonito and she was baptized March 4th by Father Antonio Lamy, from the
Manzano parish, on one of his five trips to the Rio Bonito area that year to perform church funtions. He was the nephew of the famous Archbishop
Baptiste Lamy. Her parents were Jesus Bilderais and Maria do los Santos Torres, born January 15, 1842 in Manzano, N.M. Jesus was a widower
and Maria was the daughter of Mariano and Guadalupe Torres, Their marriage was March 26, 1870. Maria had a 3-year-old daughter, Daria. The
couple resided in Missouri Plaza, N.M. A son, Cresencio, was born to the couple in June 1870 at Missouri Plaza. The 1870 census gave Jesus'
age as 35 and he was a farmer. Maria, Daria and Cresencio completed the family.
The Bilderais family didn't live in the agricultural community of Missouri Plaza for a good length of time because the community was destined to be
deserted in due time, mostly due to the continuing water shortage. It appears that the family located in San Patricio in the early 1870s. Church
records show that Jesus and Maria were godparents several times and it refers to that area. In the 1880 census the family, or what was left of the
family, did live in San Patricio. Maria de los Santos obviously passed away in the late 1870s because Jesus was listed as a widower, for the second
time. She would have been in her middle to late 30s born in 1842 And the only other member of the household listed was son Leonides, age 4,
born after Maximiliana.
In May 1885 Maximiliana was ten years old and she and her father were godparents for Cruz Torres. The parents, Pablo and Francisca lived in
Lincoln and perhaps Jesus moved there also although the family wasn't listed in the 1885 state census. Pablo could have been Maximiliana's uncle,
younger brother of her mother. Maximiliana was a godparent for Condrado Salazar In July 1893, when she was 18 years old. The parents of
Condrado, Frank and Jesusita, also lived in Lincoln.
On November 25, 1993, Lorenzo married Maximiliana Bilderais in the Santa Rita Church at Lincoln. He was a three months past age 20 and
Maximiliana was a couple months shy of age 19. Manuel Sisneros and Rebeca Salazar were the witnesses at the marriage.
Lorenzo and Maximiliana were godparents to Jose Cordova when he was baptized in December 1894 at White Oaks.
In February 1895 the Lorenzo-Maximiliana children began arriving. The first child was Dolores (Lola) followed by Cruz (Mary), Mariana (she
didn't survive) and Albino before the 1900 census was taken. In the census Lorenzo worked as a laborer in a mine and it was stated that he could
read, write and speak English. Residing adjacent to him in White Oaks was father, Placido, and wife Librada. On the opposite side resided older
brothers Maximiano with his wife Felicita, and Manuel and wife Conception, and child Sara. An older half-brother, Felis and wife, Carmelita, also
lived close by. Susan McSween, widow of Alex, one of the major participants in the Lincoln County War, was also a neighbor. There is much
anecdotal and historical accounting that suggests that the Guevaras were well acquainted with McSween. That information is documented in the
story of Maximiano who was Lorenzo’s brother.
Lorenzo was in charge of arrangements. Placido is buried in White Oaks' Cedarvale Cemetery, someplace, probably near his first wife Maria
There was census of White Oaks taken in August 1907 and it showed Lorenzo and family. And in March 1909 Lorenzo and Maximiliana were
witnesses for brother Manuel Guebara's marriage to Petra Gonzales.
In November 1912 Maximiliana gave permission for her second oldest daughter, Cruz, to marry and that is the last information about Maximiliana.
She passed away May 3, 1913 from pneumonia((2) and was buried in White Oaks. She was 38 years old. She left Lorenzo to care for six children
ranging in ages from thirteen to one. The two oldest children had married.
(2)--A death certificate for Maximiliana has not been located. The cause of her death comes from an article in a local newspaper stating that brother-in-law, Maximiano,
attended the funerals of his sister-in-law and mother-in-law who died almost simultaneously from pneumonia and Maximiliana was his only sister-in-law that could have
passed away. The mother-in-law was Librada Barela, his father, Placido's, second wife.
and he said that he worked for his father. Lorenzo signed his surname with a “b” and that seemed to be his preference, differing from his father,
Placido, and grandfather, Ygnacio.
Daughter Flora married Felipe Martinez in Lorenzo’s home Oct. 19, 1918 in Carrizozo.
The Lorenzo Guebara family was living in Carrizozo when the 1920 census was taken in January 1920, which also was the fourteenth U.S. census.
Besides wife, Elena, the family included sons Albino and Lorenzo Jr. from the first marriage and Albert and Tilia from Lorenzo’s marriage to Elena.
Lorenzo stated that he was a teamster, working on a ranch, as was son Albino.
Lorenzo lost his son, Lorenzo Jr. some time before 1930. The boy was born in 1906, so a good time frame would have been about the middle
1920s. A family member related that “Lorenzo Jr. was hitching rides on the Southern Pacific boxcars either going to or coming from California. He
was near Oscura when he fell and the train ran over him.” Lorenzo, and a nurse sewed the body together as best they could. “Lorenzo could do
something like that” the family member quoted. On the Carrizozo Evergreen Cemetery plot map there is a Guebara buried at the far end of the
cemetery, and there is a homemade cross at the location. A few years ago the letters “OR” were discernible. It is very likely the final resting place
for Lorenzo Jr.
The 1930 census showed the Lorenzo Guebara family at Coyote, about seven miles distance from Carrizozo. Also in the Guebara household was
wife, Elena, and their six children. His occupation was that of a clay pit foreman. But, before the family reached Coyote it may have travelled North
about 30 miles to Ancho according to Claude Hobbs, a long time Lincoln County resident. He worked for Lorenzo when he was a youngster, as
did his father, George, and his uncle, Raymond. The time was when Lorenzo lived in Coyote. “He was a large man, about six foot, with a
handlebar mustache, fluent in English and Spanish, proficient at telling stories, and he was a good man to work for.”
He purchased some property near Coyote, and he erected a building that served as a store for staples as well as a dance hall. The first night that
the building was used for dancing an argument ensued and Lorenzo was shot in the foot. There was no more dancing.
A problem arose and Lorenzo packed his truck (probably his truck that Claude mentioned) and he and the family made the long drive North to
Raton, N.M. The year was about 1933 or '34. His daughter Flora and family lived in Raton and another daughter, Cruz and family, lived nearby.
The family stayed at Flora's place temporarily until they found a place. The small house, on 309 Boundary Street, would have been quite crowded
and Flora's husband, a musician, probably had to curtail his practising. The family was in that area for a couple of years and then returned to
Lincoln County and Lorenzo managed the clay mine for a few more years before returning to Carrizozo. After Lorenzo passed away, his son,
Albino managed operations until the El Paso Brick Co. ceased operations.
Lorenzo had to bury another son, Julian, due to an accident in December 1936. Julian fell off a wagon loaded with wood and was struck by a car
near Carrizozo. He was buried in Evergreen Cemetery. He was 16 years old.
Lorenzo passed away March 21, 1939 in Capitan, N.M. The death certificate stated the cause of death was from apoplexy and hypertension.
Lorenzo was 65 years old, and he was buried at the Capitan Cemetery. He is remembered with a beautiful monument. Elena passed away in 1958
and is buried in Alamogordo, N.M.
Lorenzo Guebara lived in an unique place during unique times, especially when he was a youngster. And he had an exciting life compared to most
men during his era. He worked as a mine laborer; he was a teamster for a period of years; he was a rancher; he involved himself in the
manufacturing of bricks and providing the company clay for the bricks. His daughter said that at one time he was involved in the settling of estates,
probably working for the state of New Mexico. He no doubt had to work hard to provide for his two families. He had the misfortune of losing his
wife, Maximiliana, and he was the sole parent of six small children, the oldest being 13 years of age. He was the father of ten daughters and four
sons. He lost his son, Lorenzo Jr., probably around the middle 1920s. His son Albert got into some trouble and Lorenzo may have over-reacted,
but he wanted to protect him, so he moved the family to northern New Mexico in the middle 1930s and he probably was hurt financially. The family
returned to Carrizozo and Lorenzo lost his son Julian in 1936. He was 16 years of age. His son, Albino, passed away seven years after Lorenzo
died, so he was spared that tragedy. Son Albert survived and had a long productive life. He is buried at Roswell, N.M. During a tour of the
Catholic Cemetery at Carrizozo a conversation arose with Mr. Baca, who was cutting grass. “Are there any Guebaras here?” Mr. Baca: “Not to
my knowledge.” “My wife's ancestors were Guebaras. Her grandfather was Lorenzo.” Mr. Baca: “I remember Lorenzo. My grandfather had a
pool hall and as a youngster I used to go there and I remember seeing Lorenzo Guebara. Ah . . . he was a Spaniard.”
The Bilderais family presents a mystery. And it begins with the surname, a surname that was spelled various ways in the censuses, church records
and another document. The name may have been anglicized but since the Bilderais spelling was used when Maximiliana married Lorenzo, it's the
name used for the family until a proper spelling is found, that is, if there is a proper spelling of the name other than what is used. The name is a good
name to work with, genealogical speaking. Maximiliana's father, Jesus, appeared in the 1870 and 1880 censuses and his ages given were
consistent, so he was born about 1835. One census said he was born in New Mexico and the other census declared that he was born in Mexico.
He was a widower having married Victoria Acuna at one time. Maximiliana's mother, Maria de los Santos, baptism shows in the Tome, N.M.
church records. She passed away before the 1880 census, not reaching the age of forty. Jesus passed away sometime after 1885 and before his
daughter's marriage in 1893. He probably was in his middle fifties. At this time there is no information about Maximiliana's siblings, Daria,
Cresencio and Leonides. Hopefully something will surface about them. It would be nice to know if they survived to adulthood.
The Gonzales family is also somewhat a family of mystery. Elena Gonzales, Lorenzo's second wife, stated that she was born in California in the year
1896 when she married Lorenzo. Her older sister, Petra, and wife of Lorenzo's older brother, Manuel, stated on the marriage license that she was
born in Nevada. The parents, Ignacio and Susana, and family must have done some travelling. Manuel's granddaughter, Dorothy, is researching the
Gonzales family and although it has been difficult, she has accumulated some information recently and she'll probably use it in the Manuel Guebara
Claude Hobbs, is a member of “The Greatest Generation” and the person who has contributed greatly to this story. Enough can not be said about
his contribution. Claude is a lifelong resident of New Mexico and Lincoln County. What a pleasure it has been conversing with Claude about early
times in the 1900s in New Mexico and about Lorenzo. And what a remarkable memory he has. Claude was an Army soldier in WWII and was
involved in five battles two of which were Normandy and Battle of the Bulge. He was awarded the bronze and silver stars for his heroism. In the
White Oaks Museum, in a glass case, there is a page from the Ruidoso News that features Claude and his life.
The following are some stories that Lorenzo told and Claude remembered:
When Lorenzo was a youngster, he and his brother (probably Manuel) would tend cows. Families would own a cow or two for home use.
Because of the thieving, the families couldn’t afford to pasture the cows for a day without guarding them. So, for 50c per month per cow Lorenzo
and his brother would take care of a cow for the day. They cared for about twenty cows and the $10 per month income was good income for a
couple of kids, and they could afford some luxuries, like sardines, cheese and crackers. Lorenzo also said that on occasion when they were tending
the cows, Billy the Kid approached them and asked if they would buy him some supplies, since he couldn’t be seen in town.
When Lorenzo became sixteen he got a job riding shotgun on a wagon travelling between White Oaks and Lincoln. When he was eighteen he was
eligible to become a driver, which he did. On his route there was summit, and on the downgrade the horses were hard to manage. One time, on the
downgrade, the wagon was confronted by some masked men. The horses seemed to know the situation and Lorenzo had no trouble controlling
Claude also related the following Billy the Kid story that he heard years ago:
Billy would wander into the town of White Oaks after dark and the owner of a pool hall would let him sleep on the premises. One time Billy was in
a room sleeping and a Mexican with a beautiful black horse entered the pool hall and said that he was after The Kid for the reward money. Billy
was notified and the Mexican lost his beautiful horse.